Honest, curious conversations about true faith
and the human experience—even in the dark
We believe that true transformation happens through union with God, with others, and with ourselves. Not through quick fixes or easy answers. In this podcast, we explore what union looks like in church, career, marriage, and family.
Our Approach
We believe that love is the foundation of all meaningful connection. We define love as knowing and being known—a dance of curiosity and self-disclosure.
Our conversations are spaces for genuine curiosity, not winning debates. Through curious conversations, we create room for union that emerges when we truly seek to understand.
We don't come with preset agendas or predetermined conclusions. We let conversations unfold naturally, following where authenticity leads us.
The Voices
Spiritual Director & Writer
Kevin's raw, poetic essays explore faith through the lens of deep spiritual longing and union with God. His modern psalm-like work resonates with those who love God yet struggle, offering no easy answers but creating space for honest faith.
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Business Strategist & Bridge Builder
Matthias bridges worlds that believe they're separate—analytical minds and creative souls, business success and spiritual depth. He helps people discover that their competing parts don't need to fight—they need to dance.
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